Democrats: Domestic Enemies?

News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:06 PM EDT

Article Source: glennbeck.com

politics, democrats, turkey, armenia, enemies-of-the-state, defeatists, allies-and-enemies

WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS THINKING??? Transcript from a monologue on Glenn Beck today:

GLENN: Can I tell you something? I've been noodling this story all week when it broke because it had been sitting out there for a while and then on Wednesday it actually happened, and it really bothered me until I started doing the homework on it. There are enemies of this country that are domestic. You are supposed to defend this Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic. You tell me how this is not an enemy of the United States. You tell me how -- because listen to this. This is not just cutting off the supply lines of our troops. This is intentionally inflicting damage on a weak ally, one that is in the "I'm not sure" category anymore, one that we are trying to hold together into the ally category. You declare the -- it's not like you could take this back. You declare that Turkey did this at this time with a country that is on the precipice of Muslim extremism. You're not talking about a stable region of the world. I don't know if you've got that. I don't know if you've noticed, but the number one movie, I believe, of all time in Turkey just came out, with the help of American movie makers, and it was about the atrocities -- and it wasn't a documentary of the it was a movie about the atrocities that our military perpetrated on Turks and now our congress is intentionally sticking a stick into the hornet's nest. You are -- you're not just saying, hey, we're not -- you're not an ally. You are making an enemy. How is that not an enemy? You think you're doing it because you're stopping the war. I'm beginning to look at some of the things that they are doing and I have never been here. I have never been here, but please tell me how you're not at least at the precipice looking in across this fence, that some of the things that the people in congress are doing are more about the destruction of our country than about disagreeing with this war. You can disagree with the war, you can vote to cut off -- I believe it is despicable to vote to cut the supply lines off, cut the money off. Bring them home. Bring them home. But what you're doing here is you are making an enemy with Turkey.

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{"commentId":1094792,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

WorldviewWarrior

This is absolutely outrageous. These congressmen are supposedly the ones who have taken an oath to protect this country from all its enemies: foreign AND domestic. Yet here they are once again proving that they're more interested in defeat that they are in securing our country, or proving that losing the war is more important that losing American fighting soldiers. This is treasonous! They must be held accountable!

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5 votes

#1 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:17 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095163,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

WvW:

I got a better question.

Why is that coward Bush giving in to blackmail by a foreign country instead of pastriotically supporting America as represented by a majority vote in Congress?

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8 votes

#1.1 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:52 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098133,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The OttO Show

Umm...because Turkey gives us vital strategic support including air access?

The better question is why is this now a concern for these dopes in Congress? It's not blackmail to have the president try and preserve necessary allies in a war. These a-hole Dems in Congress are the first to whine about America's place in the world and our prestige and what everyone thinks of us. But then they decide that insulting an ally over something that happened almost a hundred years ago is more important.

The Democrats 'war on terror': First Dubai, now Turkey. What's next, Jordan?

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4 votes

#1.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:49 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098520,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

OttO:

Nope. Not Vital. Not strategic. Not necessary.

And frankly, I don't care what the Turks think us.

And since when is the truth an insult?

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1 vote

#1.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:04 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098693,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

Otto, yes, first Dubai Ports and now Turkey. What hypocrisy.

Lobbying is effective in the Pelosi House, though.

I think we should take that senior Turkish general's words to heart. Anyway, now is not the time. Did you catch Dana Milbank's article in the Post? Remarkable comments emanating from Congress.

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4 votes

#1.4 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:02 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098813,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

I think we should take that senior Turkish general's words to heart.

Why? He's a lying scum justifying genocide.

You like genocide?

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1 vote

#1.5 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:04 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098848,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

Sorry, perfesser, but that lame ploy don't cut it, and you know it. You also know you're wrong to defend that House panel.

Fess up.

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1 vote

#1.6 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:19 PM EDT

{"commentId":1099028,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

Did the @!$%#ing Armenians suffer @!$%#ing genocide or @!$%#ing didn't they?

It's not a hard question. A Yes or No will do.

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1 vote

#1.7 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:21 PM EDT

{"commentId":1099205,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The OttO Show

Nope. Not Vital. Not strategic. Not necessary.

That's fascinating. Now back to our regular programming.

And frankly, I don't care what the Turks think us.

Okay. Some people do, more people than care what you think of what the Turks think of us.

And since when is the truth an insult?

When it insults someone?

Sorry - what's the point of it again?

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2 votes

#1.8 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:56 PM EDT

{"commentId":1099861,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

OttO;

I care about the truth more than I care about whether some Turks are offended by the truth.

Okay. Some people do, more people than care what you think of what the Turks think of us.

Demonstrably false. The actions at issue are by CONGRESS and Congress, if you haven't checked lately, represents the "people" and more people voted for members who supported this action than voted for people who oppose it.

You're in the minority, man. You THINK you're in the majority because your media pals shriek so loudly, but that's an illusion.

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1 vote

#1.9 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:13 AM EDT

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backroads

Control yer temper, perfesser, and think large picture. Do you think you're as upset as Ignatius? Read what he had to say.

Timing.

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1 vote

#1.10 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:49 PM EDT

{"commentId":1101644,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

Why would I care what some Beltway punditocrat thinks? Ignatius is an idiot.

Next?

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1 vote

#1.11 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:15 PM EDT

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backroads

Envious, perfesser? It certainly appears so. Are you more Armenian than Ignatius?

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2 votes

#1.12 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:24 PM EDT

{"commentId":1102441,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

Nope, not a shred. But they're right and the Turkish crudballs are wrong on this subject.

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#1.13 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:44 AM EDT

{"commentId":1102997,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

So you cannot tolerate the notion that the House panel's timing is wrong and ill-conceived?

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1 vote

#1.14 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:18 AM EDT

{"commentId":1103338,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

What "time" would there ever have been when some @!$%# Turkish general wouldn't have threatened American interests as result of the Congressional resolution?

And what's "ill-conceived" about recognizing a historical truth?

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1 vote

#1.15 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:04 PM EDT

{"commentId":1104725,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

You know, I honestly don't think you believe your own argument.

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1 vote

#1.16 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:53 PM EDT

{"commentId":1104750,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

That's because you don't understand it.

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1 vote

#1.17 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:59 PM EDT

{"commentId":1104873,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

No, I understand it. I also know you love to argue even when you're wrong.

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2 votes

#1.18 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:40 PM EDT

{"commentId":1094818,"authorDomain":"IndependentVoter"}

IndependentVoter

The Democrats have become political morons.

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6 votes

#2 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:31 PM EDT

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1fitspirit

It sucks when someone calls you on your crap, but the facts are the facts. There was a genocide, and it was perpetrated by INDIVIDUALS, not by the government of Turkey. Let's he honest here...Who is applying the most leverage...the US by telling the truth about the genocide, or Turkey by threatening to withdraw support if we speak the truth? I would rather we all get very honest (the US included) with each other, and let the chips fall where they may.

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#3 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:40 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095193,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

WorldviewWarrior

Here's another point of view.

You didn't answer the unspoken question: Why Now? This has been an issue for several decades--not days, months or years. This is, at the very best, incredibly bad timing, since the US military rely on the goodwill of the Turks to move roughly 70% of their supplies through Turkey.

It is, at worst (and most obvious), domestic terrorism--against our own fighting men and women! A blatant attempt to undermine our own war efforts. But it ties in perfectly with the poll showing 19% of Dems who think the world would be a better place if the United States lost the war in Iraq.

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3 votes

#3.1 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:06 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095215,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

WvW:

Why now?

Because now is when Nancy Pelosi wanted to do it.

If I may repeat: Why should the actions of a foreign sovereign be blamed on a domestic political party?

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5 votes

#3.2 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:15 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098139,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The OttO Show

Why would a domestic political party be concerning itself with the actions of a foreign sovereign from a century ago? Apparently the Dems have gotten us out of Iraq, captured Osama bin Laden, legalized gay marriage, shut down conservative talk radio, impeached the president, provided insurance and post-secondary education to every American and opened the borders...now they are just biding their time until the session expires.

Do you really think there is a defense for this pathetic outrage?

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2 votes

#3.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:52 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095290,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

Can't really find too many who can honestly support what that House panel has done.

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5 votes

#4 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:02 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095366,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

backroads:

That's because you aren't looking.

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2 votes

#4.1 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:55 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095514,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

I said "honestly" -- not with proud partisan prejudice.

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4 votes

#4.2 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:59 PM EDT

{"commentId":1095937,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

'roads:

Actually, I can't really find of anyone who could morally oppose it.

You like genocide?

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2 votes

#4.3 - Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:01 AM EDT

{"commentId":1098150,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The OttO Show

A resolution does not provide any moral opposition to genocide. Do you really need the Congress (the Dems specifically) to be on the record as opposed to genocide? Stopping genocide does, but the Congress isn't working as diligently to stop current genocides, are they? It's not moral to jeopardize the war to make an outdated and pointless statement. It's not moral to oppose something from a hundred years ago when they oppose efforts to stop modern day tyranny.

Really - have you or any other cheerleaders for this resolution spent one iota of time wringing your hands about the plight of the early 20th century Armenians, wondering when we were going to be on record as...oppose to it?

Tell me, what does this solve?

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2 votes

#4.4 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:57 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098701,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

backroads

Sorry, perfesser, but that tack won't steer. You know good 'n well how unwise this House effort really is.

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3 votes

#4.5 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:04 PM EDT

{"commentId":1098822,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

Otto:

A resolution does not provide any moral opposition to genocide.

No, you're right.

What it provides is moral opposition to lying about genocide.

And, uh, OttO, wake the hell up. If the Democrats did this a thousand times it would "jeopardize the war" as much as the Simpleton-in-Chief did every day for the last three years or so.

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2 votes

#4.6 - Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:08 PM EDT

{"commentId":1099786,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

The OttO Show

What it provides is moral opposition to lying about genocide.

What is moral about it? I don't get this. Morality isn't defined by words. Morality is defined by doing what's right. The real world here outweighs your sensibilities and ideals.

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2 votes

#4.7 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:44 AM EDT

{"commentId":1099901,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

OttO;

Okay. Let's go over this one-step-at-a-time so I know you get it.

Ninety years ago, the Armenians suffered geocidal fury at the hands of the Turks.

That genocidal fury was largely unrecognized for years.

Recognizing genocide is essential to a moral world order.

Congress is now recognizing the Armenian genocide.

Unless you are prepared to argue that the genocide in contention did not happen, i.e., that Congress is wrong, then you're asking for both the suffering of the Armenians to go unrecognized and for Congress to lie by omission, all to satisfy some @!$%# Turkish generals.

In effect, you're justifying genocide so long as one of our (you say) friends did it.

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2 votes

#4.8 - Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:23 AM EDT

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JoulesBeef

how does it look when we condemn iran for denial of the holocaust and yet give our "allies" the blind eye?

with that said, i do find the timing suspicious and dont think this is part of our congresses job. Condemn it in the UN, or do something about it, but these "statement" resolutions are a bs waste of time whether it is chastising moveon for exercising free speech, yelling at rush for phoney soldier remarks or yelling at the turks for something that happened decades ago. It doesnt seem to serve any real purpose. which makes me wonder who lobbied for it.
I'm not trying to belittle the plite of the armenias, i just dont think that mear statements mean a damn thing..and do more to attack someone, then to help.

simularly it was insanely stupid of the bush administaration to call iran part of the axis of evil right after they start electing western friendly govrenment, that wanted desperately to rebuild relations with the us and we can see for sure that it has made us less safe. The people ellected the nationalists, the extremists in their country. Perhaps the dems should show they could learn from bush's mistakes.

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3 votes

#5 - Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:22 PM EDT

{"commentId":1104317,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

Loules:

What's suspicious about it? The resolution has been introduced in each of the last six Congresses, including the current Congress, I believe with Tom Lantos as the primary sponsor every time. Rather, it would be suspicious if they DIDN'T bring it up in committee this time.

It actually passed in a Republican-controlled committee in the 106th Congress in 2000, although it never had a floor vote.

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2 votes

#5.1 - Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:43 PM EDT

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O-K

Bottom line. What will this resolution do. Is it worth endangering the troops in Iraq to recognize something everyone already knows? Maybe they could condemn slavery too.

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1 vote

#5.2 - Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:08 AM EDT

{"commentId":1105497,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

O.K.:

It won't be the resolution endangering the troops

IT'LL BE THE @!$%#ING TURKS ENDANGERING THE TROOPS

If the Turks say "We're shutting down this supply line," it's the @!$%#ING TURKS shutting down the @!$%#ing supply lines.

Would you mind blaming the thuggish blackmailing genocide-deniers instead of the United States House of Representatives for actions threatened by the thuggish blackmailing genocide-deniers?

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2 votes

#5.3 - Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:25 AM EDT

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O-K

Turkey is helping the US even though that position is very unpopular in the middle east. If that resolution passes and Turkey closes its border, I will blame those who voted for it. The resolution does nothing for anyone and it angers the Turks. In a war you don't willfully anger allies unless you are very dumb.Please name one Pearson who will be helped by this resolution? Our troops have enough problems. They don't need 70% of their supplies disrupted.

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3 votes

#5.4 - Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:52 AM EDT

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backroads

Looks like yet another blunder by the Pelosi House is headed to the dust bin.

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2 votes

#5.5 - Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:11 AM EDT

{"commentId":1105642,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

jfxgillis

O.K.:

Turkey is not "helping the U.S." because they're nice people. They're "helping" us because they believe it is in their national interest to do so.

If they get "angry" over what you call "nothing" they they're unreliable allies anyway.

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2 votes

#5.6 - Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:59 AM EDT

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O-K

I don't care if they are nice or if they are not allies. I don't want a risk of causing more danger to American soldiers in Iraq with a resolution that will do nothing. Bring it up in two or three years.

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3 votes

#5.7 - Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:53 PM EDT

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